#520 | The Right Way to End a Relationship

Some relationships don't survive your growth, and that's not a failure, it's the price of becoming who you're meant to be. In this raw episode, we open up about the endings we are living through right now, including Bianca's recent breakup and her decision to cut ties with her family entirely.

We unpack the right way to end a relationship, intimate, family, friendship, or otherwise and why walking away activates every core fear and limiting belief you carry. We explore how to get crystal clear on your values and boundaries, discern true intuition from old narratives, risk the terrifying unknown of being alone, and build a corner of people who tell you the truth instead of just validating you. Because ending it right isn't about the moment, it's about who you become five years from now.

Here's a related episode that builds on today's conversation: 
#518 | Should I Stay or Should I Go?- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/518-should-i-stay-or-should-i-go/id1511831621?i=1000775117929

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Show notes:
(0:00) Intro
(1:33) It's not just intimate relationships
(3:59) Bianca's recent breakup story
(6:04) From "not good enough" to "too much"
(9:56) The decision to cut ties with family
(11:59) When growth means growing apart
(17:15) JC talks about the Evolve Ventures community, where she can be authentic and have meaningful conversations.
(18:06) The fear of being alone
(20:36) Getting crystal clear on values and boundaries
(22:10) Who's really in your corner
(28:08) Inside Evolve Group Coaching
(31:01) Outro

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Transcript

Bianca Thomas

(0:00) I mean, I don't think it's ever gonna be easy. I don't think it's ever gonna be, (0:05) it's never gonna feel good. And you're consistently going to second guess and doubt yourself. But that doesn't mean don't do it. You just need to learn how.

Emilia Smith

(0:16) And the learning how to do it, that pain, I think that because it's so guaranteed and relationships are our softest spot, (0:25) we run away from actually doing it, which ironically ends up being more hurtful and more harmful sometimes. And there's a lot more people that are in that bucket than we think.

Bianca Thomas

(0:35) Most of us are looking for hope, answers to the madness, certainty that we'll be okay, and someone safe to help guide us through the most challenging parts of our lives. In a world that's changing and evolving every single day where chaos, uncertainty, and cycles we never chose wreak havoc on our lives, it's easy to feel lost, hopeless, and scared of what the future will hold.

Emilia Smith

(1:03) Evolve Ventures is here to provide that hope, direction, and data-driven strategies to growth-minded human beings just like you every Monday and Thursday where each new episode is filled with vulnerable stories, interesting lessons, and simple tools you can use that will help you evolve into the person you were always meant to be. My name is Emilia. 
And I'm Bianca. And as the co-founders of Evolve Ventures, we are so grateful to be a part of your evolution. Let's get into it. (1:33)Welcom back Evolvers. It's Emilia for today, episode 520, the right way to end a relationship. Bianca and I are sitting in our studios while it is beautiful outside and we are aching in our hearts, but grateful to be here on the mics with each and every single one of you when this comes out. So for this episode, she and I, just before we got recording, we were in the thick of it and this episode is gonna be a raw (2:05) episode because we know from not only firsthand experience, but we also have an insight into so many clients' lives about how difficult it is to truly end a relationship and doing so in the right way that feels good for you, not in the moment, but in the long term. So I know a lot of us struggle with this. I've struggled with this. Bianca struggled with this. We all have a struggle to some degree, especially if you're an Evolver, if you are growing, evolving, wanting more for yourself, wanting better. And if you're a gold achiever, I always say this with my clients, there's quite literally a stipulation of growth where you can either have those relationships that you love and care about grow with you or you end up growing apart. And that really sucks. And that is inherently a part of the journey that we wish weren't true. But if we can use some of the tools that Bianca and I have, have used not only for ourselves, but for clients to reframe that, it actually can be one of the most powerful tools that we cultivate, I believe.

Bianca Thomas

(3:03) And this isn't just intimate relationships. All types of relationships. When we think of ending relationships, a lot of us tend to gravitate toward the idea of just intimate relationships. But I think we're starting to be in a time right now where more and more people are not tolerating mistreatment and they're not tolerating (3:26) as much BS from all of the relationships in their lives, whether it's friendships, coworkers, intimate relationships, family, you name it.

Emilia Smith

(3:38) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(3:39) It's one of the most, (3:47) can sincerely be one of the most activating (3:51) experiences because it activates and calls forward every single one of your core fears, (3:59) beliefs, the pain points that you have. And I had a situation recently where this happened. So I didn't super publicize this because I wasn't, (4:16) I don't know, there was something in my gut telling me, like don't, (4:20) like just stick with it and kind of figure it out before you talk about it or do anything.

Emilia Smith

(4:24) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(4:25) relationship between (4:29) September and (4:34) April,

Speaker 3

(4:35) mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm,

Bianca Thomas

(4:37) We were together for a while and I was doing RTC relationship talks coaching with Alan and Emilia and I was going by myself because intimate relationships are something that I want to (4:52) do much better at. Like I really aspire to have a magnificent, wonderful relationship and it's been a massive pain point in my life. So (5:03) I was getting coaching, I got into this relationship and the entire time I'm in it, I'm like, (5:11) I don't know, something doesn't seem right here,

Emilia Smith

(5:14) Mm.

Bianca Thomas

(5:14) trying it because I need the practice and I need to get better at this.

Emilia Smith

(5:18) Because, sorry, I'm just gonna interject here because prior to that, you had a belief that like there was no one out there, you know? And I think that that's really important to mention too, while also respecting your privacy. But one of the things that I know you've publicly shared is how difficult it is, you know, to really find someone that is with the same values, beliefs, aspirations. And I also know that we've talked about that and how difficult that is that cultivates a belief about you finding your person, right? And prior to that, so that was really big for you to do that. And I just wanna make sure that you get the credit on that. It was really big to put your heart out there as much as you did.

Bianca Thomas

(5:59) Well, it's hard because the belief beforehand was based on this narrative that I wasn't good enough.

Emilia Smith

(6:04) Right.

Bianca Thomas

(6:04) I'm not good enough, I'm defective, nobody's ever gonna love me. And I think the harder thing now, which I never thought this was (6:11) oh my God, is

Speaker 3

(6:15) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(6:16) I'm too much.

(6:19) (Laughs)

Speaker 4

(6:21) That's wild.

Bianca Thomas

(6:22) life, (6:25) in almost all of the areas in my life, not just my looks, but in all of the areas of my life, I'm (6:33) now too much.

Emilia Smith

(6:34) Wild.

Bianca Thomas

(6:35) am I ever going to find a partner who wants a highly empowered woman,

Emilia Smith

(6:42) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(6:43) goals and dreams, who is insanely dedicated, who is insanely consistent, who's driven, who will do anything to achieve her goals. That's really, really, really rare. (6:55) it was like, oh, they seem like they have all of the same goals and aspirations and they're not intimidated by me and whatever. So there was this dual process happening where I'm trying to pick out the best qualities in this person that I see in tandem with true self being like, this doesn't feel right.

Emilia Smith

(7:17) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(7:18) feel right. Something feels off here.

Speaker 3

(7:21) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(7:22) I finally get to a point where it's like, okay, no, I need to trust myself. This isn't going, this isn't it.

Emilia Smith

(7:29) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(7:29) I talked to you, I talked to Alan. You guys were like, yeah, yeah, trust your intuition.

Emilia Smith

(7:37) Got it, got it.

Bianca Thomas

(7:39) So I bring something forward. I'm like, hey, here's all these things that I'm noticing.

Emilia Smith

(7:45) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(7:46) this. Like I need you to do better. Can you show up for me? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, massive attack.

Emilia Smith

(7:55) Which was the, by the way, the premise of the relationship, this agreement that this is a growth-oriented relationship, that there will be communication and show up when (8:09) it is possible.

Bianca Thomas

(8:10) They did a really good job of making it seem like they were like me.

Emilia Smith

(8:15) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(8:15) life from the outside in looked like it. And then when you got into it, it's like, oh, you're nothing like this. This is all a show.

Emilia Smith

(8:22) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(8:23) So when I finally call this person out, it's like, it was a massive attack. And

Emilia Smith

(8:29) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(8:30) This is the end. Thank you very much. Good luck with everything. Have fun. (8:34) I obviously didn't say it like that, but like I'm doing the quick version.

Emilia Smith

(8:38) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(8:40) It triggered and activated. I don't want to say the word triggered because it's not a trigger. (8:45) and put pressure on every limiting belief that I have ever had, especially the new ones that are coming out too. I'm going to be too much for someone.

Emilia Smith

(8:58) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(8:59) be with someone like me, you know, everything. (9:06) And (9:08) I believe that I approached that the best I ever have. And that's why I'm sharing this. Was it (9:15) but ending it in the way that I showed up in that situation, I sincerely believe was the absolute best I've ever done. So much so that I'm like really proud of myself for how I navigated that. (9:32) There's also been a lot of stuff going on with family,

Emilia Smith

(9:37) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(9:38) super dove into in a while just to keep my own privacy and whatnot, but (9:47) I'm in a phase of life where I (9:56) made the really difficult decision (10:00) to completely cut ties with my family in its entirety. So I will not, I've made the decision to never see my family again. (10:11) And I made that decision (10:15) in November, and that got re-solidified this month when something happened. (10:25) And that (10:28) like broke something in me (10:31) because it was something that I never thought I would do. It's that that was like my biggest ever pain point.

Emilia Smith

(10:39) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(10:40) all of the beliefs in me. I'm a bad person. I'm not seeing this correctly. No, maybe I really am in the wrong. No, well, I can fix it. And it just, it activated all of the narratives that my parts are trying to convince me of to make me not do this.

Emilia Smith

(11:00) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(11:01) my entire life. Convince me that I'm wrong. Convince me that

Emilia Smith

(11:05) Change me.

(11:06) (Laughs)

Bianca Thomas

(11:07) me. No, and that (11:10) like intimate relationships. I'm the

Emilia Smith

(11:13) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(11:13) I'm a bother. I'm a burden. I'm this, I'm that, so on and so forth. (11:18) stories is because ending, we have direct personal experience when it comes to ending relationships. (11:26) unfortunately, we've had to become very good at it. (11:32) By nature of who Emilia and I are, by nature of the women that we are and are becoming the goals that we have set and the lives that we want to live and the impact our lives have that it is, like we have to make those choices. And it is a choice. No one's like pressuring us to do it.

Emilia Smith

(11:54) Right.

Bianca Thomas

(11:55) those choices because of the women that we want to be and what we want to do in the world.

Emilia Smith

(11:59) I add a comment on there? No. I also wanna say, based on that, for anyone who's kind of getting to know us, or if this is net new, it's so easy, I think, to jump into the (12:16) narrative of, yeah, okay, you have experience in that. It's gotta be so easy to do what you've done and to think that. And what I've also recognized is, (12:28) actually, it's far less of (12:31) the desired choice, as a matter of fact, and it's been to what you've vulnerably said, I never in a million years thought that this would be (12:43) where we would have to be, if you will. I never thought that trading off, if you will, on certain relationships that are closest to us actually is what became the freedom to pursue our goals and dreams. And it's fucking heartbreaking because the, (13:04) yeah, well, because the observation has been, not everyone is capable of being by (13:11) the side and being 10 out of 10 supportive and loving and caring and (13:19) not taking someone else's dreams as a personal attack of why you are not operating in compliance with the way in which relationships, quote unquote, normally operate. Like being so divergent and having such a divergent and different path, I never really thought that it would require us getting, quote unquote, good at discerning who is actually capable of handling that level of pressure, quote unquote, because I thought that people just inherently were supportive to people who have goals, dreams and aspirations. And one reality that's been quite the slap in the face and really depressing, and I was saying this to Alan in my thirties is actually, no, not at all. And trying not to take that also personally as well, (14:12) to the right way to end a relationship component, trying to not take other people's limitations in that personally, that's been really difficult and really depressing because what we've seen is that very few people try to break the glass ceiling of their limitations to try to keep and grow with people who do have goals, aspirations and empowering beliefs. And that is super depressing. And I won't go down that rabbit hole, but I think that it's worth mentioning because be it an intimate relationship (14:47) or (14:49) friendships or family, it's been surprising to see how, (14:56) I don't wanna say how little capacity because that sounds so demeaning. And I'm gonna reframe that. For someone that has goals, dreams, aspiration and wants to improve their (15:07) belief systems, how much more capacity that person has. And I think that the reframe on this to what I said earlier, (15:16) it's an amazing gift that if you're an evolver, you have and it feels like shit most of the time because a lot of relationships won't grow with you. And that's a hard truth that probably no one's ever told you the books that you've read, everything that you've heard from other people. They're not people who are reaching for (15:35) things that have never happened before, never been before, never become before of our species. And so you have an inherent gift, but it definitely will at times feel like curses, especially when (15:48) our biological imperative gets questioned every single step of the way, meaning our feeling of belonging is so ridiculously absent from the people that we thought we would have it the most from. And (16:02) what we've done with that and what we do with that and what we choose to do and how we choose to continue to be a net positive on the world around us, that is something really special because to the ending of relationships, I also wanna end my good optimistic nature. I've never had better relationships in my life too. Like Bianca, the relationship that you and I have, the relationship that we have with our team, the relationship that I have with Alan, the relationship with the people that I do (16:29) feel so privileged to have in my life and so grateful to have extraordinary relationships that I don't think that I would be able to have if I didn't end specific relationships. And (16:43) I think that that's also something to (16:46) note for someone who might be on the fence about closing a relationship, shifting the dynamic, shifting the level of intimacy or proximity to a specific relationship, setting boundaries, maybe full blown cutting ties and moving on from a relationship or having that totally change and transform. I think that that's, it's so important to see what else is possible because it's not just all doom

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Bianca Thomas

(18:06) with a client about this literally yesterday. She is in a very, very toxic relationship.

Speaker 3

(18:14) snoring) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(18:15) started really flourishing and as soon as she started really becoming this amazing version of herself, her partner did a complete 180. (18:26) partner is now attacking her, tearing her down, trying to convince her of narratives that aren't true. It's just, it's very, (18:37) it's devastating to watch from the outside in. And she was like, "But I'm gonna be alone.

Emilia Smith

(18:46) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(18:49) I'm gonna be alone. (18:51) What if I don't find anybody? What if this is the best I'll ever have?" (18:56) And it's like,

Emilia Smith

(18:57) Yep.

Bianca Thomas

(18:57) you have to risk it.

Emilia Smith

(19:01) I know.

Bianca Thomas

(19:02) And that's terrifying. Like (19:06) even with family, you can't, like biological family, you're not gonna like build a new biological family.

Emilia Smith

(19:14) Yeah, no, no. But you do.

Bianca Thomas

(19:21) Like when your family is gone, they are gone. It's not like you're gonna be able to like manufacture new biological ties. But (19:33) that doesn't mean that there aren't people in your life that can become family.

Emilia Smith

(19:36) Yeah, chosen family. Mm.

Bianca Thomas

(19:38) exactly, and that's the really hard part. You have to be able, (19:43) you have to risk it. (19:45) Even though you don't have evidence, even though you don't have any reason to believe it. Like me with intimate relationships, I still very much hold that belief.

Emilia Smith

(19:54) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(19:55) getting worse and worse and worse. The more I'm in the dating world and the more I'm

Emilia Smith

(20:00) Mm.

Bianca Thomas

(20:00) interacting with people and the more I grow and the more (20:07) I'm living my life, it's like, "Oh my God, this is awful.

Emilia Smith

(20:10) Yeah.

Bianca Thomas

(20:11) genuinely gonna be alone forever." (20:15) And (20:17) it's been so hard forcing myself to have an optimist mindset of like, you have to trust in what you can't see. (20:27) You have to, (20:29) that it's ever going to end up happening. (20:33) And I think for everybody listening, (20:36) the right way to end a relationship is (20:40) from what I've done, and I can only speak on what I've done and what I've helped clients to do. Number one, you have to get crystal clear on your values and your boundaries and

Emilia Smith

(20:50) Mm-hmm.

Emilia Smith

(20:52) Yes.

Bianca Thomas

(20:55) All of the BS limiting beliefs are gonna start to come up. All of the old narratives that people are trying to convince you of, but when you connect to your truest self,

Emilia Smith

(21:03) Mm.

Bianca Thomas

(21:04) you actually are not the problem, because a lot of people might be listening to this and you might be the problem. (21:10) it's them." No, I think it's you. So like,

Emilia Smith

(21:16) Mm.

Bianca Thomas

(21:16) the work (21:20) and you're like, "No, this actually is the other person. I really have tried." (21:26) And that's the scarier thing to believe. It's probably true

Emilia Smith

(21:29) Mm. (21:31) Yeah, that's brutal.

Bianca Thomas

(21:32) you have to get crystal clear on your values, your boundaries, your needs, your character, your aspirations, and then sincerely ask yourself the question, do these people, does this person, does this situation actually line up with that?

Emilia Smith

(21:53) Yeah. (21:55) Facts.

Bianca Thomas

(21:55) is the answer is no.

Emilia Smith

(21:57) Mm-hmm.

Bianca Thomas

(21:58) So then what do you do about it? This is where we start to gaslight ourselves. This is where we start to let others manipulate us. This is where we start to second guess everything. (22:10) And this is where we need to be surrounded by people who care about us, who see who we really are (22:15) that hard thing, which is end it, walk away.

Emilia Smith

(22:22) And give us that strength not to convince us to do anything, but give us the support and strength to bring us back to ourselves and our own core values and who we are so that we can have the reserves (22:38) to do what we don't want to do, but we know is better for us long-term. (22:45) And that's everything. That's where chosen family is really, really, (22:49) really important. And I hope to heckin' back (22:54) that whoever you do have in your corner is also rational, is not like tries like crazy to make sure that they groom through their biases when they give you strength as they give you the strength, (23:10) encourage, and can hold a hard mirror back to you (23:16) to make sure that they're just not like what AI models are right now and chat GPT is doing for so many people, which is validating people up and down and their rectum. (23:28) It's like out of this world, the level of validation that I think people are experiencing right now to be able to do and be whoever without taking multiple perspectives, level setting their own BS and their own contributions to a pattern. And (23:48) I think that there's a severe issue in that. And I think there's a big difference. We did an episode around validation. There's a big difference of having people in your corner that I don't want to say hold you down, but bring you back to earth out of denial and delusion because they're pointing to an objective reality that you're refusing to look at and looking away from, or you're scared in a corner and you don't want to look at that.

Bianca Thomas

(24:13) And being very careful that if someone is trying to do that, it's merited

Emilia Smith

(24:19) Facts.

Bianca Thomas

(24:20) people in their life that is like, no, I'm bringing you down to reality. It's like, no, you're bringing me down to your

Emilia Smith

(24:27) Your reality.

Bianca Thomas

(24:28) consciousness, to your insecurities,

Emilia Smith

(24:31) Correct.

Bianca Thomas

(24:32) So you have to be really conscious of, (24:36) have my best interest at

Emilia Smith

(24:39) Exactly.

Bianca Thomas

(24:40) to bring me to where they are because it's more comfortable for them?

Emilia Smith

(24:44) Right.

Bianca Thomas

(24:45) calls me out more than anybody. You and Alan, oh my God, oh my God. (24:52) And I'm so grateful for it

Emilia Smith

(24:54) it's so uncomfortable.

Bianca Thomas

(24:56) because you guys also helped me to see the truth.

Emilia Smith

(25:00) Yeah, I know.

Bianca Thomas

(25:01) down to tear me down. You help me see the realities of the distortions in my own thinking (25:07) limiting behaviors that I'm having. And you also build me up. You want me to flourish. You want me to succeed because it doesn't impact you. (25:19) It doesn't negatively impact you if I'm amazing. It benefits you (25:22) be amazing.

Emilia Smith

(25:27) Exactly. (25:30) And that's something that I wonder if people have in their corner. I wonder because I know that the large majority of the answers would be no. Do you have someone in your corner where even if you were to be completely not connected to them, (25:47) they just want you to find your truth, the truth, and just persevere through that. Regardless of if it like impact consequences, like that's not necessarily the angle. (26:04) It is free thinking, truth seeking individuals that help us understand (26:09) our right way (26:13) to end a relationship or to distance from a relationship that's not serving us. And if you don't have someone in your corner who is helping you do that, my friends, it is time to grow up and do something about that. Because a life that is (26:31) in the opposite direction or trajectory of that is a life that one (26:43) day will come back around (26:46) for sure and not the ways that (26:50) you likely want.

Bianca Thomas

(26:51) So in closing, (26:57) make sure that you have people in your life and in your corner who outside of themselves sincerely want you to succeed. (27:08) Make sure that you are getting crystal clear on your values, what matters to you, your character, and helping you get rid of the delusion so that you can see the truth, not only of them but of yourself. (27:24) And then you make your decision from there. You take action from there, from a grounded stance of true self, not the negative limiting beliefs, the negative automatic thoughts, because it benefits other people, but because you know that doing the right thing for you is going to have a positive ripple effect.

Emilia Smith

(27:42) Yeah. Both short and long term. It's huge. And there's a visual asset that I consistently am using with people to help them find their way to not just the right decision or the right way to end a relationship right now, but the right way to end it so that in five, 10 years from now, you're actually really proud and wish you had done it sooner. But you're grateful that you did it the way in which you did. There's a digital asset that I use all the time with clients that (28:08) we use in group coaching. So group coaching for anyone that's unfamiliar is a program that we do once a year. We have only 10 people in that program and it's capped. It's limited for a reason. And it's been a tremendous success. And in the last, I want to say two sessions that we have. So there's the program, the way in which it works. There's nine growth sessions. We have an intro or kickoff session that kind of lays the groundwork. And then we have a graduation ceremony at the very end. But there's nine growth sessions that happen biweekly. So by the end of three months, essentially you will have transformed some of these things. And in the last two or so sessions, there's a very keen focus in on relationships and interpersonal relationships. This topic specifically comes up about how do you know, how do you discern what is the rule book for you that you are going to use moving forward. And I have so many testimonies kind of coming into my mind right now about how they've used those digital assets. And how they've used those skills that they learned and picked up through group coaching and are adequately ending, distancing, bringing closer, connecting to relationships that are so much more aligned for them now. And they attribute that to the program. So it's an incredible program. And I don't just say that to say that nor to plug it, although I do want to make sure that any evolver that's listening to this is aware that we are coming up on the enrollment of this year's program. And that will be kicking off July 23rd. So if you have an interest to this program, you want to get in. And we happen to have open seats, which is unlikely at this point. (29:50) It's best to double check or get on the wait list for next year, because the right way to end a relationship for you just simply might be not just this podcast away, but a skill development with nine other people that are going through exactly what you're going through. Click the link in the show notes below to sign up or be put on the wait list to enroll in that program. We would love to have you. And lastly, for closing sentiments and episode suggestion Bianca, what do we got?

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Emilia Smith

(31:01) We know firsthand how important it is to have a safe space with people who support and celebrate your evolution. That's why we created our free live virtual event called Out of the Mud that we host the last Wednesday of every single month, 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time so that while you venture into new territories of your growth, you can get in a room with others who are too. Extraordinary topics with evolved people. That's what this event is all about. What's great too is that you don't even need to have your camera or mic on. You can just listen in. Click the link in the show notes to register for the next topic to kick start your growth.

Bianca Thomas

(31:39) Be on the lookout for our IG lives that we host every Friday at 12.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. This is a place where you can connect with us live and in a fun, lighthearted way. We are also in the process of rolling out group coaching and online courses, and these are sure to help you evolve into a greater version of yourself.

Emilia Smith

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Bianca Thomas

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